{"id":4064,"date":"2026-04-07T10:46:47","date_gmt":"2026-04-07T14:46:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/?p=4064"},"modified":"2026-04-07T10:46:47","modified_gmt":"2026-04-07T14:46:47","slug":"obedience-vs-autonomy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/?p=4064","title":{"rendered":"<h4>Obedience vs. Autonomy<\/h4>"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>If there is no God whom we can obey, then life is meaningless.  Why?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>That for which we are free, is that which gives life meaning.<\/strong><sup>1<\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> However, if we determine that for which we are free, that which we determine cannot give life meaning. We cannot specify that which gives life meaning. Meaning must be set for us by something outside ourselves.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> It is the autonomy of reason which sabotages the goals reason gives as goals for use of rational freewill. With rational freewill we have a reason for what we choose.  Our autonomous reason answers only to itself as what is a proper use of reason. Hence, what reason determines to be correct is not something external to us. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To make my case I will consider only rational free will, at its best.  There are three types of rational freewill. The freewill of desire, the freewill of righteousness and the freewil of love.  For additional clarification of my terminology, see <a href=\"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/?p=3406\">Agency, Ordinary Free Will, &amp; Free Will of Love<\/a> .<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>At its best the freewill of desire is for happiness.  Of course, happiness is a poor candidate for the purpose of human existence.  It is not clear what constitutes happiness and few if any attain happiness which then passes away with them. But here the point is that human reason is used to specify what happiness would be. Any candidate for happiness needs to be justified by reason.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The freewill of righteousness is the freedom to choose what is right because it is right.  At its best what the freewill of righteousness is for is a good will &#8211; a will which chooses what is right because it is right.  A good will cannot be what we live for. The philosopher Kant admitted that a person with a good will could be ineffective in accomplishing much good and be unhappy.  But here the point is that we determine what a makes a will good because ultimately we determine what is right.  Any claim that something is a duty must be acceptable to reason.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The freewill of  love is to will the good of the other for the sake of the other. At its best the freewill of love is for the good of all. The freewill of love seems not to be self-centered. It might seem that the good of the others sets that for which we are free. However, choice of the good for others which is mistaken is not the freewill of love at its best. We need to use human reason to evaluate what is good for all the others. Now, in fact, programs for universal human good are usually miserable projects &#8211; for dystopias which would pass away.  But here the point is that human reason is the arbitrator of what the freewill of love is for.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, understanding the goals of rational freewill at its best, cannot show us the meaning of human life.  What can? Obedience: Willing the will of the another simply because the other wills it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Obedience is a type of freedom. For one can obey or not obey.  However, it is not really a type of freewill because the will is given up. There is no act of the will of willing not to will. Becoming perfectly in harmony with what another will is allowing it to happen.  In any event, the type of obedience I am writing about is not rational freewill. No reason is given to justify the choice, Indeed, finding a reason for willing as another wills would destroy what occurs as obedience. So, the obedience of an unwilling slave is not the obedience I am writing about.  the unwilling slave has a reason for obeying; he does not want to be whipped. However, using our reason to lay out what is a good for a human life, does not preclude that which reason characterizes as a good for human life. It can be a goal for human life if we let the reality reason characterizes lead us regardless of the reason for it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For the most part, this type of obedience is not valuable.  We want our little children to grow to act on their own. So, we consider freedom to obey only at its best if we want to consider what it is for as giving a meaning to human life<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>At its best freedom of obedience is for what a perfectly good being wills. In other words freedom of obedience at its best willing what God wills. So, from this standpoint, the meaning of life is what God wills<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol>\n<li>The claim is that the purpose of one of the ways in which we are free provides the purpose of our lives, if anything provides a purpose.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>  <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If there is no God whom we can obey, then life is meaningless. Why? That for which we are free, is that which gives life meaning.1 However, if we determine that for which we are free, that which we determine cannot give life meaning. We cannot specify that which gives life meaning. Meaning must be &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/?p=4064\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\"><\/p>\n<h4>Obedience vs. Autonomy<\/h4>\n<p><\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[41,17],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4064"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=4064"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4064\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4073,"href":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4064\/revisions\/4073"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=4064"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=4064"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/charleskielkopf.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=4064"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}